“Don’t poke it in the eyeball with a sharp stick.”

Another tax protestor was convicted Friday.

Like I said when this “861” nonsense first came to my attention:

What you, Rose, Schiff, and the rest of the folks digging around in the law books don’t realize is that you’re acting like fucking focus groups for FedGov.

You’re all running around with your writs and affidavits and whatnot, showing them where to slam the next wall down in your path.

The evil and destruction of the income tax are apparent to everyone that cares to look, but no one’s going to mind because they all get “free” shit too, and they aren’t about to let their neighbors get away without paying if they can’t.

Which they can’t, all this fringe-flag crap is a quick ticket to the slammer as a political prisoner. If that’s what you want, fine, but realize up-front that rational ignorance is going to keep the vast majority of the populance from giving a damn about you and your tenner.

Seriously: if you want to evade taxes, evade them. Don’t show up on the radar. Double-don’t go around peddling schemes and books purporting to show how to “legally” avoid paying taxes.

First rule of tangling with something a million times bigger than you: don’t let it know you exist.

Second rule: don’t poke it in the eyball with a sharp stick.

This generated a fair amount of controversy. The IRS Caught Cheating! and Larken Answers Critics threads at Anti-State.com are full of posts telling me I was wrong, wrong, wrong.

Except, oops, I was right.

The government isn’t going to dismantle itself any time soon, nor are the pitiful voting masses going to suddenly discover untapped reserves of outrage at your self-immolation.

31 thoughts on ““Don’t poke it in the eyeball with a sharp stick.””

  1. freemarketnews.com wrote:
    The argument of the anti-tax camp as regards the income tax- and perhaps that of Rose himself- probably will not change as a result of the trial.

    You think?

  2. From a cynical POV, it is educational to see someone poke the beast in the eyeball. I wouldn’t advise it, but if someone insists on doing it anyway, we might as well learn from it.
    Taking a view from 20 thousand feet, and saying the result was inevitable, is valid. However, observing the exact responses of the beast to specific provocations could potentially lead to useful tactics. If you know it will ignore any actions up to point X but no further; then you can push your luck to point X. If nobody pushed further and got chomped, you might not push your luck far enough.

  3. Gavin,

    Taking a view from 20 thousand feet, and saying the result was inevitable, is valid. However, observing the exact responses of the beast to specific provocations could potentially lead to useful tactics.

    Taking the government to court is a lengthy and tedious process with arguable results at best, taking the government to court with made-up laws is simply dumb. It’s a ticket to the barbed-wire hotel, always has been, always will be. See “CONSTITUTIONALISM”: THE WHITE MAN’S GHOST DANCE.

    The useful tactic here is to not do that. Evade, avoid, submit, be elsewhere, but: no eyeball-poking. You don’t want to make yourself worth squashing.

  4. Lopez: what if the thing to be squashed was too big to be squashed?

    Then it wouldn’t be. Same as if it were too small or too far away. I do see some individuals moving themselves and their assets out of harm’s reach, and I do see individuals dropping off the radar. What I don’t see is in-your-face tax resistance growing to the point where it’s too big to be squashed.

  5. “What I don’t see is in-your-face tax resistance growing to the point where it’s too big to be squashed.”

    You need to spend time on an Indian Reserve, amongst people who have never had to pay taxes, and who have *nothing* left to lose. And watch what happens when a bunch of creeps living off the government money tit, come up with a delusional idea that it’s time for “indians” to “pay their fair share” of taxes like everybody else.

    3 protests held over 3 weeks… in fact, in one instance, we didn’t even actually have to show up…. the rumour that a bunch of angry indians with drums and bannock were going to be moseying over to the Band Office at around 1 or 2 (give or take a few hours for “Indian Time”) was enough cause for the Chief and Council to call for all 250 employees of the Band to be evacuated from the Band Office, and the place was put on a lockdown at 9:15 AM.

    By the time we showed up, much later that afternoon at our “Government” offices, the place was being guarded by non-indian security guards who nervously were peeking out through the curtains every few minutes to see if they should evacuate as well.

    And the funny thing was… there wasn’t even a *hint* of violence in what we were doing. We told the reporters and the government officials that this tax was illegal, imoral and we were simply going to occupy the band government buildings until it was rescinded.

    My evidence/experience is that it’s only when people have *nothing* (and I do mean, *nothing*)left to lose, that they will contemplate the kind of action that peacefully resists the government, and be willing to be arrested for such a thing.

    Until then, they will just limp a long as best they can, accepting pretty much anything that the Organs throw at them… basically hoping that the next time the Morlocks show up to pick off another Eloi… it won’t be them.

  6. My evidence/experience is that it’s only when people have *nothing* (and I do mean, *nothing*)left to lose, that they will contemplate the kind of action that peacefully resists the government, and be willing to be arrested for such a thing.

    That’s real nice, Meaghan. And you expect that to happen in the USA about …when?

    About never, because it’ll always be better than Somalia.

  7. “That’s real nice, Meaghan. And you expect that to happen in the USA about …when?”

    It won’t.

    Unless.. perhaps..
    The greenback hyperinflates, and as a consequence of the Sutter decision and various others that are sure to come based on that application of “principles”, where the equity that people have invested in their homes disapears *poof* in the middle of the night… although that could prove interesting since it would almost offset the credit-bubble bursting, but I digress….

    The basic problem of course in the comparison is that on the Indian Reserve, there were no armed goons with guns to blow away the little old ladies sitting down in their wheelchairs and their knitting and refusing to leave until the tax was rescinded.

    You don’t have the same situation in America.

    The combination of a collapsed economy and a culture of legitimated predation, with millions of public servants prepared to shoot to kill, in order to keep their phoney baloney jobs will keep things at bay for a time.

    Maybe it will be like the Soviet Union’s withering collapse under the weight of their economic policy stupidity… but I don’t think so.

    For anybody who is paying attention… it’s not just “france here now”. It’s Russia.

    Metaphorically, watching people here jabbering at Billy about his unwillingness to stand in line for 16 hours to buy a roll of state issued toilet-paper and urging him to “suck it up” because at least there *is* toilet paper… just blows my fucking mind.

    Billy wrote on his blog yesterday…

    “I had to point out to her some elementary facts involving the nature of production and the function of money in human life”….

    and

    “[they]…have serious difficulty at bringing themselves face to face with real-live practical implications of a murderous society.”

    and

    “Through all this, the best and most productive years my life will ever see have gone for nothing but what I could live in them, instantly”

    and…

    “I have had to steal my own life from the claims of nearly everyone else.”

    It amazes me, on a discussion blog pertaining to anarcho-capitalism of all goddamn things, that somebody who has lived a “free” life, is being badgered in this insolent fashion.

    Lynette tells him to go mow lawns.

    I value Billy. Hell, I love the man. I have for about a decade, and I expect that I always will. But I do not deign to tell somebody whose intellect I respect, and whose chosen values that I admire, (because they mirror my own) what he needs to do to survive in the Gulag.

    Billy has chosen to live as a free human being. The choice to live as a free human being has consequences in a culture that does not value freedom. That choice is his, and his alone to make. He is serving his own life, his own values and his own pursuit of happiness… (even when he has to “steal” it from grasping moo-cows that would claim ownership of him)

    It is impertinent to tell a rational, reasoning, functional human being that he is doing something wrong by living according to his own values, especially when those values are derived with the ethics that Billy has chosen.

    Billy Beck is an adult.
    Don’t fucking treat him like a punk kid, who doesn’t understand what’s important in life, or that he needs to “smarten up” or that he needs to “suck it up” or that he needs to “mow lawns”.

    He has every fucking right in the world to complain about how years of his life have been fucking stolen from him….

    I do not understand this hostility towards his choice to live by his own values. He isn’t expecting anybody else to be forced to pay to keep him alive. He isn’t demanding that anybody else suffer so that he may live. He isn’t foisting anything on any of you.

    It’s not *your* choice in this matter that is important. It’s his, and properly he is the only one that gets to make that choice.

    Now, I would suggest, if you assholes are really all that concerned about Billy’s health and need for medical insurance, if or when he gets sick, and if at that time he needs help with covering the cost of the treatment, then you send him some fucking money, voluntarily and freely.

    He will not compell anybody to pay to keep him alive. Period. He will not live as a parasite upon other people being forced to provide for him at gun-point. It will never happen.

    That you people think there is something *strange* or bizarre, or weird, or “unrealistic” about that, says a hell of a lot more about *you* than it does about him.

    This “hostility” and impertinence towards him, for making that choice, and being willing to live and/or die with the consequences… here of all places is just astonishing.

    He’s saying that if he can’t live *as* a human being. He would prefer not to.

    I was on the phone with him this afternoon… wistfully talking about the glory days of usenet. I would suggest that some of you go back to usenet, and HPO and examine the threads dealing with “Eating Nanook”.

    The other disgusting thing is… I’ve seen this kind of smear being used on Billy before. There is nothing “cute” or “new” about the ethics of this kind of attack on the man. It’s been done to *death” for years by various indviduals who despite starting to grasp the ethics of rationalism egoism, decide to “go along” with the morlocks to “get along”. And invariably, this kind of attack is always based upon the fact that they know they are complete and utter frauds when they discuss rational egoism… and the fact that Billy isn’t willing to sell out, bothers them, intensely.

    He is a reminder that it is still barely possible to live man qua man.

    And for that, I understand why scorn is heaped upon him by statists, collectivists and socialists. But for the life of me, I have never understood why “rational egoists” would jump right into the shit-pile and fling the feces around with the rest of them.

  8. Well.. there’s nothing wrong with mowing lawns. And if this was a discussion about say perhaps horticulturalism then your suggestion would be fine.

    That actuallty reminds me of a Dorthy Parkerism when asked to use the word horticulture into a sentence.

    To paraphrase her remark:

    “You can lead a hor (to the depraved) culture, but you can’t make them think”

  9. If there’s nothing wrong with mowing lawns then what’s wrong with suggesting Beck could mow lawns to earn money to buy health insurance?

    People are acting as if it’s impossible to buy health insurance without paying income tax but I’m pretty sure that’s not true.

  10. Speaking of *blanked out* stuff…

    Whose fucking life is it John?

    Is it yours? Or is it Lynettes?

    I’m just checking, because I think you have forgotten who you are dealing with, and what *your* stake in this whole thing is.

    That’s your biggest problem Kennedy. You never actually did the heavy lifting and *integrated* a fucking thing about Libertarian ethics.

    Let me tease this out for you just a bit.

    If I were to ask something as impertinent as:

    “Say John, when you fuck your woman up the ass, what brand of heavy duty lubricant do you use and why? And does she like it? And tell me more about it”

    And upon being asked, you respond with some commentary about privacy, or your right to privacy, or your right to engage in any consensual activity that you want, without people sticking their fucking noses where they don’t belong….

    And then my response is to say

    “Well.. You know what John.. There is something wrong with you and Lynette for not liking getting fucked up the ass. Really. You should try KY Jelly Brand Lubricant. It’s the best.”

    Would you think I had lost my fucking mind?

    Well.. that’s pretty much what your little excercise here, and your sneer routine is.

    It’s actually even more rude than the questions about butt fucking and KY Jelly.

    Could I be anymore clear John?
    If you are not interested in dealing with Beck’s actual statements about his situation, then your opinion and sneering is just fucking *noise*.

  11. Yes Lynette. I am.

    Serving people with court documents like the ones Frontsight served on Diana Hsieh.

    But I ain’t paying any taxes, bitch.

    Making lots of money and not paying taxes. So couldn’t Billy work with you? Or do what you do?

  12. Ya know…

    I for one am really glad that you both just let the mask slip, once and for all.

    It means that I won’t have to bother coming back to “Not Reason” to see if Billy has had anything interesting to say.

    That was the *only* reason I came here. And now that he’s done with you two.. so am I.

  13. “Serving people with court documents like the ones Frontsight served on Diana Hsieh.”

    And you don’t think that in an anarcho-capitalist world, that people would need to serve legal documents? That people would not privately come up with rules of procedure for the private courts that require independent disinterested entities to make sure proper notice is recieved?

    Maybe you are right. Maybe we should just let government take over that role altogether right, Lynette?

    Do you really need to go 20 rounds on the issue of even if government does something… that doesn’t mean what’s being done is evil? Come on Lynette… how fucking stupid have you gotten over the years?

    “But I ain’t paying any taxes, bitch.”

    “Making lots of money and not paying taxes. So couldn’t Billy work with you? Or do what you do? ”

    I’ve offered him the work.

    If he wants to take me up on it, I’d be thrilled.

    Speaking of employment and taxes?

    Are you still giving the organs your pound of flesh?

    Maybe when you get straight on that issue, I’ll be interested in what you have to say.

    But keep on, asking questions, and continuing to try and provoke here Lynette. You’ve learned the art of Scientology-Think really well from John.

  14. Ya know… I for one am really glad that you both just let the mask slip, once and for all.

    You could at least stick around long enough to say how many of the victims of Scientology you’ve served legal documents on this year?

  15. Maybe you are right. Maybe we should just let government take over that role altogether right, Lynette?

    They already have taken it over. They’ve just farmed out some of the dirty work to private servers.

  16. Do you really need to go 20 rounds on the issue of even if government does something… that doesn’t mean what’s being done is evil?

    I could go 20 rounds on it, but I don’t think it would take more than two rounds to show that it’s evil.

  17. You facilitate the serving of subpoenas, right Meaghan?

    “Do you really need to go 20 rounds on the issue of even if government does something… that doesn’t mean what’s being done is evil?”

    I’ll go 20 rounds on whether process serving is morally defensible.

  18. “That’s real nice, Meaghan. And you expect that to happen in the USA about …when?”

    It won’t.

    Unless.. perhaps..

    Unless, perhaps, space aliens drop out of the fucking sky in their little shiny silver saucers and whisk me away to Libertarian Fantasy Land.

    Okay, let’s assign that a probability of approximately Never-Going-To-Happen-point-Zilch and proceed back on point:

    Overt tax resistance is not a path to freedom in the United States of America. Period.

  19. Lopez: Overt tax resistance is not a path to freedom in the United States of America. Period.

    You forget what happened after the Stamp Tax.

    I think it’d be absolutely hilarious if, after thirty years of impotent Libertarian wanking, useful-idiot Sheehan’s pitch to the lefty crowd to not pay taxes actually snowballed.

  20. Mike,

    You forget what happened after the Stamp Tax.

    Times have changed. It’s still true that nobody wants to pay taxes but almost all people love taxing each other.

    I think it’d be absolutely hilarious if, after thirty years of impotent Libertarian wanking, useful-idiot Sheehan’s pitch to the lefty crowd to not pay taxes actually snowballed.

    We’ll see monkeys flying out of a bear’s ass before that happens.

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