Warren Jeffs And Bin Laden

Warren Jeffs has joined Usama Bi Laden on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List. Everyone knows Bin Laden is considered responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks but what exactly is Warren Jeffs accused of? Stories about Jeffs are all over the news but the details of the charges are hard to come by. The FBI notice says:

WARREN STEED JEFFS, THE LEADER OF A POLYGAMOUS SECT, IS WANTED FOR THE ALLEGED SEXUAL ASSAULT ON A MINOR IN 2002. HE IS ALSO WANTED FOR ONE COUNT OF CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT SEXUAL CONDUCT WITH A MINOR IN 2002. THE ALLEGED OFFENSES TOOK PLACE IN THE VICINITY OF COLORADO CITY, ARIZONA. ADDITIONALLY, JEFFS IS WANTED FOR RAPE AS AN ACCOMPLICE IN UTAH.

Jeffs may be a child molester as his nephew Brent Jeffs claims. But I find the criminal charges against Warren Jeffs to be very suspicious.

He’s charged with conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor and conspiracy to rape. This story is all over the news networks and print media but you have to look surprisingly hard to discover the substance of these charges. You’ll hear that he married an underage girl to an older man, but it sounds a lot less dramatic when you learn we’re talking about marrying a 16 year old woman to a 28 year old man:

In a chilling account laid out in court papers released Thursday, a woman identified as “Jane Doe” said Jeffs demanded she marry and have “husband-wife” relations with an older man despite her protests and pleas that she be released from the union.

Jane said she followed the instructions because she considered Jeffs, president of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, to be a prophet of God.

Utah authorities praised Jane’s courage in sharing her account with Washington County Sheriff’s Deputy Shauna Jones earlier this year and said they hope it will lead other victims to come forward.

As for Jeffs, he is “not exempt from the law despite his position or beliefs,” said Washington County Attorney Brock Belnap. “To those who may be considering coming forward with information but fear repercussions, to yourself or your family, I want you to know that we will do all in our power to respect your concerns, preserve your privacy and provide assistance.” Jeffs, 50, is a federal fugitive wanted on Arizona charges of facilitating sexual conduct with a minor. He has not been seen publicly in more than a year. Brock had asked a 5th District judge to issue a no-bail warrant, but the judge set a cash-only bail of $500,000.

Belnap would not divulge the woman’s age but said she was between ages 14 and 18 and the events occurred within the past four years. Jane’s account is backed up by photos documenting her marriage and other events she said took place.

Utah law allows a person who facilitates a rape to be charged as an accomplice, with a possible penalty of life in prison. Jeffs did not commit any sexual act with the victim and was not present when it occurred, Belnap said.

“This case is about a violation of the law by someone in a position of power and authority over a vulnerable, young girl,” Belnap said.

According to an affidavit, Jane said she met with Jeffs, who told her God had revealed she was to be joined in a “spiritual marriage” to a man identified as “John Doe.” Jane, who grew up in Hildale, told Jeffs she felt she was too young to marry. Jeffs’ reply: It was her spiritual duty to submit to the arrangement, which was “from God.” Jane said she and John were then taken to Nevada, where Jeffs performed a marriage ceremony and told them to “multiply and replenish the earth and raise children in the priesthood.” They returned to Utah and a month later John approached Jane and reminded her of Jeffs’ instructions, telling her “now was the time.” He then forced Jane to have sexual intercourse, she said.

Once again, Jane went to Jeffs and told him she did not want to stay in the marriage because she hated having “husband-wife” relations with John.

During that conversation, neither she nor Jeffs used the words “sex” or “sexual intercourse,” Jane said, because such language is not culturally permitted. But, Jane said, there was no question Jeffs understood what they were talking about.

Jeffs told her to stay in the marriage, Jane said, and do whatever John demanded because he was her priesthood leader.

“Go back and repent,” Jane said Jeffs told her. “You go give yourself mind, body and soul to your husband like you’re supposed to. He will take you into the heavenly kingdom. Go back and do what he tells you to do.” Jane said she did as instructed by Jeffs and continued to have sexual relations with John despite her objections. In a later meeting, Jeffs told Jane that in time she would grow to love John and that having a baby by him would change everything.

In another meeting, Jeffs told Jane that, “No matter what happens you cannot fight with the priesthood because if you do you’ll lose your salvation.” Those remarks frightened her enough that she stayed in the marriage, Jane said.

Her decision to speak out against the crime now brought praise from Utah officials.

“The great thing is that this young woman has demonstrated she is going to trust government,” said Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff. “I hope she is an example to others, who will follow suit.” Jane’s story parallels that of woman who testified before a Mohave County grand jury last summer about her own forced marriage. The woman said she was 16 when Jeffs assigned her as a plural wife to Randolph Barlow, then 28, in 2002.

Like Jane, she was taken to a motel in Caliente, Nev., where Jeffs performed their marriage ceremony. He also gave the girl and Barlow instructions to “multiply and replenish the earth.” She protested that she was too young to have children; despite that, the girl said Barlow forced her to have sexual intercourse.

Barlow now faces two assault charges and a June trial.

In Washington County on Thursday, Belnap said he has not yet decided whether to file rape charges against John. “I’m not ruling anything in or out,” Belnap said. “It is still under investigation.” Arizona has charged Jeffs with sexual conduct with a minor and conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor for his role in arranging the Barlow marriage. Last June, the FBI issued a warrant for Jeffs’ arrest for fleeing prosecution on those charges. There is a $60,000 reward for information leading to his capture.

It appears that it is the Barlow case in which Jeffs is chared with rape. Oddly enough the alleged rapist does not appear to be charged with rape. So what did Jeffs actually do? He married a 16 year old to a 28 year old. That may be illegal in some states but it’s hardly a shocking event in the historical context of marriage in America. There are states in which to this day a 16 year old woman can marry entirely at her own discretion. And Jeffs also preached to the woman. And this amounts to conspiracy to rape? This appears to be a novel and imaginative charge. But it sure sounds a lot worse if you omit all details.

I suspect that the other criminal charges facing Jeffs all involve marriages of fertile young women who are legally underage, but who would have been accepted to be of marriageable age though much of U.S. history. I don’t think it’s at all fair to characterize Jeffs as a child abuser on the basis of such acts. In fact I don’t see that the criminal charges relate to moral crimes at all.

His followers better watch out though, because the talking heads are speculating that they may be involved in the next Waco or Jonestown.

44 thoughts on “Warren Jeffs And Bin Laden”

  1. Isn’t the issue that he forced her to marry and then have sex with somebody she didn’t want to marry or fuck? Who cares how old she is, she could be 30 and it would still be fucked up. I’m not sure if using social pressure to force somebody to have sex against their will is considered rape, but its still not right.

  2. “The great thing is that this young woman has demonstrated she is going to trust government,”

    She is not only a minor but mentally deficient as well.

  3. Talking can be a threat. Threats can be very powerful, especially on the young and immature. They’re also actionable under many laws.

  4. Transfer $500 into my PayPal account within 5 business days, Mercury, or your eternal salvation will be revoked.

    I don’t expect that you’re faithful enough to put any stock in my above prophecy, but if, as a consequence of your faith in me as a prophet, you do remit the 5 clams, would you consider my instruction to you to have been a threat?

    So how were these women threatened by Jeffs?

  5. What Jeffs has done is no different than what religious priests of all sorts and flavors have done throughout history – threaten their believers into submission. In Jeffs’ case, it was sexual submission, but the principle is the same with all religious priests and preachers. Who the hell is a nun or a Baptist pastor, both experts on scaring children to death with stories of hell and eternal damnation, to criticize Jeffs?

  6. NOTE:
    For the sake of transparency, I should mention that I am the former “Ryan H.”
    I just find the name Uncle Sam Staples more intriguing, and a Google search reveals, very surprisingly, that is has never been used by anybody.

  7. I don’t see how such can even be characterized as a threat. If I tell you that you’ll become a mind-controlled zombie if you drink flouridated water is that a threat? No, I’m not threatening to do anything to you.

  8. I agree the charges are shaky at best, maybe it was the best they could come up with. But the point is he is dangerous and needs to be stopped.

    Imagine for a moment what life is like for the people of Hildale and Colorado city. Imagine no Televisions, no radios no newspapers. Imagine growing up being taught that everyone outside of your group meant to hurt you and your family. Think for a moment what it is like for the young girls who have not even met the man they are told to marry. If they say no they have to leave, even at young ages like 13 and 14. Never allowed to come home again not to metion they are “going to hell”! Imagine the men giving all their money to the UEP (United Effort Plan). Not enough money left over to even pay for a home. Ah so the ‘work’ puts a home up on their property for you. They feed your family. You can’t have a job outside of what they tell you you can have. Then after many years of faithful service you get the call that the prophet wants to see you. He asks you to leave. No explaintion. You find out later that your wives and children have been sent to live with another family. your home already occupied by someone else. You have nothing. You have nowhere to go.
    These people often don’t know what is going on in their own congregation. The woman are allowed little rights, many not even allowed to go to school. Forced to care for their own large families until old enough to marry.
    I know there is incest I have seen it. I know there are young girls marrying older man, often becoming the third plus wife.
    In the church on sundays the speakers talk about when Jesus Christ comes, they have even put dates on it!! Hell and damnation to all that do not obey! Men are told to serve the work and the propheit woman are told to worship their husbands as their only way to heaven.
    The FLDS people have lived peacfully alone out in their desert paradise. The authorities not getting involved until asked. But now Jeffs has been behaving strangely, building large compounds and taking money from the good people of the work.
    Jeffs has to be stopped. Regardless of the formal charges he is sick and deranged. These are very real threats. Not just to these girls but to their entire lives. Disgrace the family. have nowhere to go. Alone, without an education and without family. Taught your whole life to believe woman are here to serve men….

  9. If they say no they have to leave, even at young ages like 13 and 14. Never allowed to come home again not to metion they are “going to hell”!

    Sounds like a choice to me. And their parents can go with them if they want to.

  10. Regardless of the formal charges he is sick and deranged.

    That’s no crime.

    These are very real threats.

    As Kennedy correctly mentioned earlier, these are intimidations, not threats. No one is forcing them to comply.

  11. And if he is indeed sick, shouldn’t you feel sorry for him? Usually, we provide sick people with help and compassion. We don’t stop them, whatever that means. You need to be consistent.

  12. Note to “former polygamist”:

    A friend told me this story:

    A friend told me once that the son of Warren Jeffs and the son’s boyfriend were stopped on a Utah highway with five million dollars in cash. In a statement to the press, Jeff’s son stated that he was bringing the money to Jeffs in Colorado City, but my friend pointed out that when stopped he was driving away from Colorado City. My friend feels that the son’s television statement was really a way of saying “Don’t have me killed, Pa! I’ll give the money back”

    I pointed out that, surely, having a boyfriend must have alienated his son from Warren Jeffs pretty irredemiably and my friend replied no, not necessarily.

    How true is all this?

    (Incidentally, my plan for middle east peace is to give Iraq to the Kingstons)

  13. most of these charges are very bogus. Brought by people that think you are bad because you think different than I do. or believe different than I do. Also the ex pligs that tell these lies about how bad they had it are trying to make everyone else believe their side of the story. Every one of my sisters were asked if they wanted to marry and how they felt about the man they were supposed to marry. One of them refused and asked to marry some one specific — they have been happily married for years. when I left I was told I was welcome back any time. Those people believe in peace and most will forgive you for hitting them — even before they hit the ground. let them live in peace

    to Observer the story is only partly true the money was $5,000.00 not million and no man would hurt his son for that small amount

  14. To Observer the story is only partly true the money was $5,000.00 not million and no man would hurt his son for that small amount

    A man who would hurt his son for a million would hurt him for 100 bucks as well. A man who would not hurt his son for a thousand would not hurt him for a trillion.

  15. A man who would hurt his son for a million would hurt him for 100 bucks as well. A man who would not hurt his son for a thousand would not hurt him for a trillion.

    possibly true. I don’t believe the son has ever even had to work up a sweat over it, as jeffs would do no physical harm to anyone. Nor would he have it done, he can’t go to heaven if he doesn’t forgive.

  16. A friend told me once that the son of Warren Jeffs and the son’s boyfriend were stopped on a Utah highway with five million dollars in cash…

    Seth Jeffs is Warren Jeffs’ brother, not his son. He was arrested last October in Pueblo, CO. At that time, according to The Deseret Morning News, he was transporting $142,000. Last month Seth Jeffs was convicted of helping his brother evade the police.

    From The Deseret News, May 2:
    http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635204094,00.html

    Appearing in federal court here in Denver, Seth Jeffs pleaded guilty on Monday to a single charge of harboring and concealing a federal fugitive. When he’s sentenced July 14, federal prosecutors said he likely faces up to six months in prison.

  17. What i dont understand is what gives anyone the right to decide when a child should become an adult. Under what logic is it ever ok to think for someone. I am not putting down polygamy. If you are an adult and think that life style is for you, then so be it. But there it is in a nut shell. You are given the choice to decide what is right for you. I would like to ask the followers of this man if they were made child brides. if so how did that make them feel. If this man truley belives that what he is doing is accpetable why is he running. Should he not be standing up defending his beliefs. Should that not give some clues to the ones who are hiding him. If there is anyone who would like to have a chat with me about this subject i would be more then willing to discuss it.

  18. does the person who wrote this or anyone who has replied to this issue know anything about the mormon or LDS religion? and what is the deal with the tiny nephite lung, sister wife lung, and millions of tiny nephite lungs?

  19. Personally, I greatly admire the King Follett Discourse and, while not a Mormon myself think there this is true and very moving:

    “You never knew my heart; no man knows my history; I cannot tell it. I shall never undertake it. If I had not experienced what I have, I should not have believed it myself. I never did harm any man since I have been born into the world. My voice is always for peace, I cannot lie down until all my work is finished. I never think any evil nor do anything to the harm of my fellowman. When I am called at the trump of the archangel and weighed in the balance, you will all know me then. I add no more. God bless you all. Amen.” – Joseph Smith

    (lung is just kidding around. she is a small and playful little creature.)

  20. I suspect the government is cracking down on Jeffs because anything that doesn’t follow the norm is a threat to the US Government. In Canada and many states 16 is a legal age to marry. In my cultures like Hindu’s, brides barely meet their husbands before marriage. In many Indian Hindu families all the money goes into a collective pot. The focus is more on the family and the community, as opposed to the individual. This happens in Hindu families every day in the United States.

    Many Christian preachers tell their flock they will face hell fire & damnation if they don’t do as these neo-con preachers say. Many Priest counsel wives to stay with husbands they want to live.

    In all of these instances none of the above is a crime. So what is the crime? Because the girl was 16? So if Jeff’s was in another state, he would not be guilty of a crime?

    Something is wrotten in the state of Denmark! The U.S. Government is becoming much too controlling and continues to bear a resemblance to the Government in Orwell’s 1984.

    Jeffs may be a self deluded, self proclaimed prophet but he is not a criminal!

  21. In all of these instances none of the above is a crime. So what is the crime? Because the girl was 16? So if Jeff’s was in another state, he would not be guilty of a crime?

    Right. I understand that states are going make and enforce different laws but to charge Jeffs with rape for what is perfectly legal in other states is out of scale. And it’s obnoxious for all the talking heads to bandy about these rape charges without clarifying the context.

  22. I think that a great many people who have posted here do not understand the larger picture.

    Whilst I agree the charges at present are flimsy at best, they are the only thing the Federal authorities have to get this dangerous man behind bars.

    Many here have said that the children were not physically forced into the marriages, so no crime was committed. It has also been stated that in history, marriage at the age of 13 was considered legal. I would ask these poster’s the following:

    Why, if it was legal in our unenlightened past does that make it right now? We have come a long way since the time when ritualised child abuse & underage sex was considered the norm, we now identify it to be incredibly damaging to the mental well-being of the child in question. Yet you use this as an example as to why this man should not be considered a criminal? I find this to be a very morally questionable standpoint at best.

    Also, what 13 year old girl could withstand the pressures brought to bear by both their religious leader & their father? When told that they have to get married & have a child to a much older man they would instictively obey. This doesn’t lessen the crime taking place, it increases it, not only is this man guilty of rape & conspiricy to commit rape, he is also guilty of the kind of brainwashing & indoctrination of young children that would only have been allowed in nazi germany or some of the more radical communist states.

    Sometimes you have to bend the law to bring a guilty man into the light so that you can find the proof behind the greater crimes.

    I sincerely hope that Jeff’s arrest will give others the courage to come forth to bring their testimony against him. With any luck enough evidence will be gathered to put him behind bars for the rest of his life.

  23. Can there be any charges for “brain-washing” young people and ruining their life? I think this is the major problem here. How could he not be punished with “life impresionment without perol” for brainwashing and destroying the life of yong people by teaching them fundamentally wrong theory and commiting social injustice and taking law and order into his own hands?
    This is the most horrible social crime I have ever heard of.

  24. I hereby nominate Warren Jeffs to the Nobel Peace Prize. Taking advantage of women’s (not children’s, women’s) stupidity and getting poon for it is a virtue like no other. Fornicate on, Reverened Jeffs!

  25. How could you call him a “Prophet” if he is so powerless that he can not save himself from the law and order. He is nothing more than an ordinary man.

  26. How could you call him a “Prophet” if he is so powerless that he can not save himself from the law and order

    Prophecy has nothing to do with power.

  27. So the “Prophecy” is simply a brainwashing trick. I would call them a true riligion if they can persuade a person, specially a woman, raised outside the community to convert to their faith. Otherwise I see no difference between FLDS and Taleban as they both apply the trick of moulding people into their cast starting from the birth. It is unfortunate that unlike other faiths their faith contradicts the natural law.

  28. Shaw,

    Why, if it was legal in our unenlightened past does that make it right now?

    As far as I know what Jeffs is charged with is perfectly legal in America *today* in several states. Yet he faces rape charges and is on the Ten Most Wanted list. That stinks to high heaven.

    Also, what 13 year old girl could withstand the pressures brought to bear by both their religious leader & their father?

    Is Jeffs even charged in the case of a 13 year old? Or does it just sound better?

    Sometimes you have to bend the law to bring a guilty man into the light so that you can find the proof behind the greater crimes.

    Like at Ruby Ridge and Waco?

  29. Brian,

    How could you call him a “Prophet” if he is so powerless that he can not save himself from the law and order. He is nothing more than an ordinary man.

    A billion-odd Christians believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God, yet they’d all tell you that his contemporary law ‘n’ order did him in. Does that therefore disprove the central story of the Christian faith?

    I would call them a true riligion if they can persuade a person, specially a woman, raised outside the community to convert to their faith.

    Seems to me that various hippie cults have gained converts from outside their communities. Does that make them “true religions”?

  30. Brian,

    You have a very selective definition of religion. Try this one:

    1. The cosmos is a gigantic fly-wheel making 10,000 revolutions a minute.
    2. Man is a sick fly taking a dizzy ride on it.
    3. Religion is the theory that the wheel was designed and set spinning to give him the ride.

    – The Sage of Baltimore

  31. To me the riligion should address the spiritual aspect of life but not define boundries of the material life here on earth. We have law and order to define our social values which is subject to change over the time.
    Confined and narrow minded riligious faiths, sects or cults try to force people to follow their defined value because they can’t really percieve spiritual life themselves. I don’t know why most of the riligious faiths do not fill the vacuum in the human life to have spiritual understanding rather they try to take the job of the government and interfear with the law and order.
    One more thing,
    We are trapped within our own bodies and obliged to believe on what our five senses say to us. Whether the world really exists or not beyond our five senses is a question because we have no way to check it, other than to use the same five senses check it. You could be living alone in the worl or it could be just you who created the universe through your own senses. The wheel that makes 10,000 turns a minute was designed by you, to give yourself a ride.
    Why riligion does not guide a spiritually misguided individuals.

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