Why I Hate Conservatives
May 01, 05 | 3:47 pm by John LopezL & P points out an ad on the “Instapundit” weblog:
And of course “Little Green Footballs” carries the same one. Note that these are the same mouth-breathers that have the audacity get up on their hind legs and bleat about how “extreme” or “sick” “Bush = Hitler” comparisons are. It seems that invoking the image of a hundred million corpses is just fine and dandy when you do so in order to trash “liberals”.
Try and imagine:
In the women’s zone they didn’t use ammonal [mining explosive] — instead, the women dug down to the rock layers with picks, then smashed the stone with sledge hammers. The hammer heads, of course, came away from the handles, and new ones sometimes broke. To replace a head, a hammer had to be sent to a different camp zone. Nonetheless, every woman had an output norm of 0.9 cubic meters a day, and since they could not meet it there was a long period during which they were put on short rations (400 grams) — until the men taught them to pinch stones from old piles before the daily accounting. Remember that all this work was done not only by sick people, not only without any mechanical aids at all, but in the harsh winter of the steppes (at temperatures as low as 30 to 35 below freezing, and with a wind blowing), and what is more, in summer clothing, since there was no provision for the issue of warm clothing to nonworkers, i.e., to the unfit.
— The Gulag Archipellago, Volume 3, Page 63, 1978 Harper & Row Edition.
Did those despicable creeps stop and think for even one second about the horrors that they’re gleefully trivializing?
May 1st, 2005 at May 01, 05 | 4:14 pm
Very well put. I’ve but one small additional point: since there actually *are* Communists and National Socialists out there, unjustly labeling the ACLU “Communist” or the Bushies “Nazis” allows such serious totalitarians to slip by unnoticed. (I have found that when mentioning that so-and-so is a Communist, people will react in horror at such an example of “McCarthyism.” It barely seems to matter to them when I point out that so-and-so is in fact an open member of the Communist Party. Similarly for the various creepy neo-Nazis, Fascists, racists, and fervent holocaust deniers/defenders skulking about the fringes of various movements.)
May 1st, 2005 at May 01, 05 | 8:46 pm
The (un)funny part is the caption “Enemy of the State” under the hammer and sickle. The soviet symbol representing the ultimate in statist oppression and attempting to equate an activist group to communists then to enemies of a state is a non sequitur. But maybe I am just being captain obvious.
May 1st, 2005 at May 01, 05 | 10:35 pm
Breast post all day.
May 2nd, 2005 at May 02, 05 | 9:03 pm
College kid,
It’s pretty plain that the leading lights in the conservative blogosphere either didn’t notice the crashing contradictions you pointed out, there, or didn’t care.
The implications of that are both amusing and revealing.
[shrug]
Like Billy Beck pointed out:
“If things ever went for the worst, I know — in my own soul — that I could spend the rest of my days laughing every day at them, from the other end of the cell block.”
May 3rd, 2005 at May 03, 05 | 11:59 am
Oh…the shirt…right. Sorry.
The ACLU was actually involved with the communists, but the ACLU broke off from them and expelled them in the 40s, IIRC.
May 4th, 2005 at May 04, 05 | 8:31 pm
While the outrage is justified, the argument falls flat. I present the following dare: next Monday, wear a tee prominently displaying the swastika, in any context whatsoever. Wear it all day (preferably on a college campus) and - providing you make it through the day - document the reactions of others. Next Tuesday, wear a tee displaying the hammer and sickle, same conditions, again with documentation. Geography doesnâ��t matter; you can participate in this dare anywhere in the US. Then pontificate on how the two symbols are equal (when, as you assert - and I concur - the later REALITY is MUCH more heinous). Iâ��ve actually run across “communists” in my everyday life, mostly on dates with women who describe themselves as “liberal” (if I hear “communism is a good system, it was just implemented wrongly” one more timeâ�¦). Iâ��ve never, in thirty-five years, met a self-described Nazi (or “National Socialist” ((for Tom ; ) )). But then maybe Iâ��m running in the wrong circles? Nowâ�¦could there be a reason one symbol - and, presumably, ideology - is OK (or even “cool”, if youâ��re looking to score college pussy), while the other is anathema?
May 4th, 2005 at May 04, 05 | 9:27 pm
Quite so, Mr.Lopez.
Now tell us now what symbolism is involved in N-T’s nuke dropping little pixie mascot?
[Insert guilt tripping quote from Hiroshima
by John Hersey on nuclear war here.]
Not every one else has your keen hyper-analytic abilities and so they go over board to make their point. (Every hear of hyperbole?)
May 5th, 2005 at May 05, 05 | 12:25 am
I can assure you that lung only drops nuclear weapons on bad people, and in any case, there isn’t anything particularly tasteless per se with nuclear weapons or small undifferentiated creatures, now is there?
I know, I document said folks rather frequently on these pages.
Except as has already been pointed out, here and elsewhere, that no coherent point was, or in fact could be, made by juxtaposing the ACLU with a hammer-and-sickle with the caption “Enemy of the State”.
It’s just fucking stupid.
People who try so hard to smear their perceived politcal enemies that they trip themselves up on a t-shirt and in the process concede the moral high ground to said enemies aren’t engaging in “hyperbole”, they’re just being stupid.
May 5th, 2005 at May 05, 05 | 1:02 am
Toby:
That’s a very good question, and I don’t have an answer for you. You’re right about the argument falling flat, nobody except extremists like myself gets upset at Commies.
I do know that Communists in general tend to get a free pass. I do know that Commie ideology has a firm foothold in this culture, to the point where just about every idiot libertarian and conservative is harping on about who “needs” what and how to make the government more efficient at distributing stolen loot. My guess is that the Commies are simply telling people what they want to hear.
May 5th, 2005 at May 05, 05 | 7:43 am
Mr. Lopez,
You did not address the issue though. If you don’t like the conservative’s misuse of symbols or their appeals to guilt and emotion (you being a hyper-rationalist at all times), and yet this seems to be the mainstay of your argument and your “hatred” for your opponents. I see a contradiction here.
Parsing my own words back to me with snarky bon mots attached doesn’t do much to help to make your point or rebut mine.
Ali
May 5th, 2005 at May 05, 05 | 10:26 am
You do realize that neither of you are arguing about the infamous shirt at this point? (Or Communists or Socialists or your goldfish).
May 5th, 2005 at May 05, 05 | 12:27 pm
Commies were our allies in WW2, and Nazis were our enemies. That we traded one homicidal tyrant for another even worse one runs counter to received mythology on the war. A Confederate Battle Flag on a t-shirt would raise more hackles.
The sellers of the t-shirt in question are morons.
May 5th, 2005 at May 05, 05 | 8:49 pm
So my expressing disgust at a misguided attempt by conservative retards to smear a myopic activist group as Commies is the same in principle as that selfsame smear-attempt?
How, exactly? What emotional imagery am I misapplying here? What, in fact, ought Communist imagery invoke in the minds of people who’ve been paying attention? Does that imagery in fact apply to the ACLU?
Or to sum up: Am I wrong, here?
My point’s been made:
“Except as has already been pointed out, here and elsewhere, that no coherent point was, or in fact could be, made by juxtaposing the ACLU with a hammer-and-sickle with the caption “Enemy of the State”.
It’s just fucking stupid.”
Now, you can try and ignore the fact that your attempt to conflate lung with hammer-and-sickle waving was knocked down with one rhetorical question, that’s fine. But don’t try and pretend that I’m veering off-topic by showing how silly that attempt was.
May 5th, 2005 at May 05, 05 | 11:20 pm
lung is not a symbol. lung is more real than “ali massoud” (and nicer)
(lung has to go now. john is wandering off towards the mist-shrouded tombs and the haunted palace again and lung has to go rescue him again. lung does not understand, but lung is a loyal little lung and lung always helps her friends.)
lung
May 6th, 2005 at May 06, 05 | 12:41 am
Mr.Lopez,
No, it is hyperbole, which is often used in political humor, propaganda, and expositive efforts.
“Fucking stupid”? Yes it is, but that is the nature of that sort of thing. I thought you were more discerning and insightful than this.
Your maudlin example of the poor gulag prisoners was an appeal to emotion. Shame on you for going there. Did you think I’d not call you on it?
The �hatred� you express for such mundane and trivial misperception is telling John.
May 6th, 2005 at May 06, 05 | 9:14 am
no coherent point was, or in fact could be, made by juxtaposing the ACLU with a hammer-and-sickle with the caption “Enemy of the State”.
…and this, not any question of “hyperbole”, is the issue, Mr. Massoud - an issue which you have deliberately and dishonestly undertaken to ignore.
May 6th, 2005 at May 06, 05 | 11:41 am
Mr. Sabbotta,
Having viewed your art and read (some of) your posts I feel you have no standing or credibility to speak on coherence or honestly.
The No-Treason blog is just as much a sewer as every one says it is and no amount of effort will likely change it.
Sabbotta and Lopez you can now go back to telling each other how smart and clever you are, and play with your nuke-dropping imaginary friend while you and NT descend into ignominious irrelevance.
Sad too, because at some level Lopez at least seems to have some brains behind all his deliberate hatefulness and irony. However, such is life on the blogosphere.
May 6th, 2005 at May 06, 05 | 4:52 pm
Mr. Sabbotta,
Having viewed your art and read (some of) your posts I feel you have no standing or credibility to speak on coherence or honestly.
Maybe he doesn’t, but Lopez probably does. If it’s any consolation, I didn’t think the shirt made much sense either.
May 6th, 2005 at May 06, 05 | 5:38 pm
The No-Treason blog is just as much a sewer as every one says it is and no amount of effort will likely change it.
Does that mean you won’t be subscribing to the No Treason Premium Service*?
* No Treason Premium Service is a trademark of Lung Defence, LLP. All rights reserved.
May 6th, 2005 at May 06, 05 | 7:12 pm
Anarchist twinkie
Sometimes Sabotta twinkie
Keep anus guessing
May 6th, 2005 at May 06, 05 | 8:35 pm
Who the hell is everyone?
May 6th, 2005 at May 06, 05 | 8:48 pm
“You can protect your delicate sensibilities by turning the fuck away.” –Cy Tolliver, Deadwood.
Honesty time, Ali:
Where, specifically now, have you found Sabotta being dishonest? What specific item(s) caused you to come to such a conclusion? Link ‘em up. (I make no judgement as to “incoherence”, as the ability of readers to understand material is dependent upon their own intelligence, education, and preconceptions. Or lack thereof, whatever.)
May 7th, 2005 at May 07, 05 | 12:31 am
Who the hell is everyone?
…asks billy-jay, and I reply:
“All the paleo-creeps, the true-blue Lewsters, the Kinsella scum, dear Karen (alas), the neo-Nazi filth that infects anti-state.com and strike the root like pus oozing from a festering sore, all the Hoppe-lickers and the liberal swine too, all those who hope for catastrophe to bring about their hateful utopia, all the scoundrels who prey upon fools hoping for a better life - that’s “Ali Massoud’s” everybody, the League of Losers, and he’s damned welcome to their noisome company.”
May 8th, 2005 at May 08, 05 | 7:16 am
Oh. Is that everyone, then?
May 21st, 2005 at May 21, 05 | 1:23 pm
Granted, there has always been communist involvement in the ACLU and its founder himself was a communist, that doesn’t change the fact that to equate their activity to the USSR is as absurd as dumping all of the horrors of Nazi Germany on top of Henry Ford because he was a sympathizer. The amount of despots that the conservatives have supported because they were anti-communists is as numerous as the number of communists and socialist despots supported by the left here. Sorry conservatives, but you have no moral high ground here.
August 21st, 2005 at Aug 21, 05 | 10:41 pm
Yup, everyone is a fucking moron. Everyone. Nobody in the entire world has any sense whatsoever, save the members of whatever party you happen to be from. I just don’t get it….but that’s probably because by the standards of at least half the people here, I’m a fucking moron.
May 29th, 2006 at May 29, 06 | 1:18 am
ah, you guys suck. bunch of know it all think tanks here you are. oh, btw, nazis are extreme left wingers, just like commies, funny how people equate conservatives to them. seems like ya’ll got lots more in common wit them there hitler youths than bush do, ya dang’d ol’ bright lights o’ t’morrow.
June 2nd, 2006 at Jun 02, 06 | 2:12 pm
I think the shirt is funny and makes perfect sense. Obviously its hyperboyle, an exaggerated view on the RADICAL LEFT ACLU. However, I don’t not think it is much exaggerated.
Communisum is radically left and so is the ACLU. Fascism is supposedly extremist right, however when both a “left” and “right” forms of government are at their extremes they become virtually indistiguishable from each other.
It’s hard to discern the difference of Fascist and Communist regimes of Germany and Russia. Both had many similarities.
And when I say Communism is “far left” that doesn’t mean that they are for civil rights. As we seen in China and Russia, extreme forms of left or right forms of government produce intolerance ans oppression. Do they not?
Communist are “far left” as defined by (wikipedia):
Communism is a political ideology that seeks to establish a future classless, stateless social organization based upon common ownership of the means of production. It can be classified as a branch of the broader socialist movement. Communism also refers to a variety of political movements which claim the establishment of such a social organization as their ultimate goal.
However, this is at odds with the “far leftest” of today, who many do not want government control of anything “fight the power” and so on. They are more concerned with “diversity” and “multiculturalism”, don’t forget “racism” and “equal rights”.
So, basically to some it up, it is a far reach to liken the ACLU as “communist russia” and make no distinguishing of the ideology of today’s Democrats, just like it is inappropriate to label the conservatives/Christians as fascist.
However, I do get the joke, and I know that 99% of you do to, although you claim you don’t. Kudos for the person making the ACLU-Communist connection, most people have a tendancy to selectivly forget there history.
One question to those who hate this t-shirt or do not understand its meaning:
Would you also say the same things if someone had the US/British coalition flag with a swastika (as seen in the movie V for vendetta or as I like to call it: U for unamerican or L for Liberal). Were was your outrage then?
Please x-cuse my spelling, I am typing fast and do not have time to check it (I know from prior experience a bad speller is labled as white trash or an idiot though I am neither).
P.S. Although I see Mr. Lopez’s view as well as Ali’s I woulds ask that Mr. Lopez would stop with the superfluous word usage.
We know you are educated, and such vocabulary is commendable in an age were most people seemingly have a lexicon of 50 words (just listen to the newest RAP CD). However, by quoting noted intellectuals and by the manner of which you do so (by mixing vulgarities), well you come out as an…
…Dare I say?…ELITIST SNOB WHOSE MOMMY AND DADDY PAID FOR COLLEGE AND HAS NEVER BEEN PUNCHED IN THE FACE OR BEEN IN A REAL FIGHT.
See, I made an unfair generalization…how do you like it? A taste of you own medicine, would’t you say? Maybe you should refrain from making any more obscene generalizations. Who sound like Dr. Lowenstien’s Husband in the Prince Of Tides.
June 2nd, 2006 at Jun 02, 06 | 11:20 pm
JC,
How is a hammer-and-sickle an indication that someone or something is an “enemy of the state”? Are Communists really enemies of the state?
So the ACLU is ‘fascist’ by your lights as well?
I remember that Communists have murdered about 100 million people and that the ACLU has murdered exactly 0 million.
What, exactly now, is superfluous about any word that I’ve used here?
It’s amusing.
Not really. See, I have sound grounds for saying that the conservative pundits who ran that ad are stupid and tasteless. Your making judgements as to how I “come across” and psychologizing based on that is mere wind.
Back on topic, did you ever think for one second about the horrors that that t-shirt so gleefully trivializes?
June 4th, 2006 at Jun 04, 06 | 3:17 am
Mr. Lopez,
I see what the other’s problem is with you, you read
between the lines to much. Be it as this may I shall
answer your questions:
1. “How is a hammer-and-sickle an indication that
someone or something is an “enemy of the state”? Are
Communists really enemies of the state?”
Are you joking? Do you not know that Communist seek
to overthrow democracy (this government - but one
would hardly call it a “Democracy”) and install
Communism - Which is against are very nature as a
capitalist country. Do you not know that the
Communist were behind the Immigrant Marches and
boycotts? Did you not see the members of Communist
Party USA with their Barretts on? Did you not know
that May 1st (the day withouot “immigrants”) or
May-Day is a Commie Holiday? Are you serious? Your
pulling my leg…right?
Using less-educated politriat (illegals) is straight
out of the Commie useful-idiot manifesto:
Marxism holds that a process of class conflict and
revolutionary struggle will result in victory for the
proletariat and the establishment of a communist
society in which private ownership is abolished over
time and the means of production and subsistence
belong to the community. Marx himself wrote little
about life under communism, giving only the most
general indication as to what constituted a communist
society. It is clear that it entails abundance in
which there is little limit to the projects that
humans may undertake. In the popular slogan that was
adopted by the communist movement, communism was a
world in which ‘each gave according to his abilities,
and received according to his needs.’ The German
Ideology (1845) was one of Marx’s few writings to
elaborate on the communist future:
-Don’t be a Useful-Idiot. We were at war with the
Soviets. Again, it would be like using a swatztika in
V for vendetta to describe the cololition of the
willing, which you still have not responded to so I
asume you understand that anology as is.
2.) “So the ACLU is ‘fascist’ by your lights as
well?”
NO, I never said that. You selectively quoted me,
like I knew you would. Did you forget when I wrote:
“And when I say Communism is “far left” that doesn’t
mean that they are for civil rights. As we seen in
China and Russia, extreme forms of left or right forms
of government produce intolerance ans oppression. Do
they not?”
AND
“However, this is at odds with the “far leftest” of
today, who many do not want government control of
anything “fight the power” and so on. They are more
concerned with “diversity” and “multiculturalism”,
don’t forget “racism” and “equal rights”.
So, basically to some it up, it is a far reach to
liken the ACLU as “communist russia” and make no
distinguishing of the ideology of today’s Democrats,
just like it is inappropriate to label the
conservatives/Christians as fascist.”
However, the terms “GAY FASCIST” and “ISLAMO-FASCIST”
and so-on are not inacurate and could be used to
describe any Lobby, JUST AS YOU WOULD SOON USE
“CHRISTAIN-FASCIST” and “GUN-FASCIST” ect.
3.) I remember that Communists have murdered about
100 million people and that the ACLU has murdered
exactly 0 million.
- Well, your not counting the unborn babies they
murdered.
Wowza! You knew that was comming, right? After all I
am a real conservative Christain gun toting red neck
FASCIST - right? Or maybe not…
…Could be I’m Atheist, but believe that we shuld
still have the “opiate for the masses” just like some
of our founding Fathers that were atheist, but
believed we should be a nation under God, because
godless nations are doomed to crumble.
Could be that I never owned a fire-arm, but think that
counstitutional right should be protected (despite
what the hypocritical left say about banning guns, but
are quick to hide behind the first admendment).
Could be also–Wait, this will kill you, — Am not
white but Hispanic. Mexican non the less. But, wait,
I want the illegals deported, so I must be
rascist-right?
All joking aside, like stated above I SAID IT WOULD BE
INAPPROPIATE TO LABEL THE ACLU AS COMMUNIST LIKE IT
WOULD BE INAPPROPIATE FOR ANYONE TO LABEL
CONSERVATIVES AS FASCIST. THAT IS WHAT I SAID, STOP
TRYING TO MAKE MY INFALLIBLE LOGIC FALLIBLE BY TAKING
WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT AND REACHING FAR RIGHT
CONCLUSIONS TO AN INDEPENDENT MODERATE’S POINT OF
VIEW.
4.) What, exactly now, is superfluous about any word
that I’ve used here?
- Don’t be cagey with me. You know what I am talking
about, I too can write and speak like “that dude off
the Matrix” or “An elitist snob”. But I much like
talking normal and mix it with satire and socratorical
dialogue.
5.) Not really. See, I have sound grounds for saying
that the conservative pundits who ran that ad are
stupid and tasteless. Your making judgements as to how
I “come across” and psychologizing based on that is
mere wind.
- “Since when did you become such a philosiphizer” -
Ben Stiller - Dodgeball
6. ) Back on topic, did you ever think for one second
about the horrors that that t-shirt so gleefully
trivializes?
- Hmm, you know what, I think I will do something that
I shouldn’t do….
…I will give you the transcipt to a semi related
topic that I wrote in a far left editorial…It was
banned by the so-called advocates of freedon of
speech…
—————
What I wrote a Few months ago…In response to
“Christian Fascism” Banned and pulled by INDY, the
self proclaimed freedomn of speech advocates:
—————
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:13:56 -0800 (PST)
From: “Tony Cossio” Add to
Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Dear Liberal Group
To: sfbay-web@indymedia.org
Why have you deleted my post, on what it is this
seventh time? And why did you not delete the post
that called me “Shitbag” and “trailer trash”?
In addition, your subsequent action off blocking my IP
ADDRESS is annoying, considering I can change it at
will, obviously because you have blocke three
addresses already.
I will send you my post, you delete what you find
offensive, and I will re-post a clean version, how
does that sound?
Here are my posts:
AUTHOR’S NOTE: This is the third time that the
Ultra-Tolerant Sodomites have deleted my post while
keeping the post that refers to me as a “shitbag” and
“trailer trash”. I guess they don’t get it. This post
will stay on no matter what. Free speech rocks.
———-
First, dumbass, I don’t live in a trailer. I live in
Chicago. Shows how much you know. What the hell do you
mean by AM talking points? I assume you mean AM radio
and not Morning…Well I listin to AM radio a few
minutes a week, if that. Its common sense. You call
people fascist and acuse the Christians of propaganda
and such, when the reality is that you are the
Fascist. Because no Fascist goverment supported
religion, and in fact this website removed my earlier
post… I GUESS THAT IS YOUR IDEA OF TOLERANCE. AGAIN,
YOU ONLY BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN IT IS YOU
TALKING. YOU WON’T REMOVE THE POST THAT CONDEM GOD,
AND USE SWEARING, BUT YOU WILL REMOVE MY POST THAT
CITES HISTORY? YOUR THE HYPROCRATE. LEAVE MY POST
ALONE IF YOU BELIEVE SO MUCH IN FREE SPEECH. YOU LET
PEOPLE WHO SAY, “WERE THE FUCK IS GOD” WELL, THEN
WHATEVER IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.
YOU DID THE FOLLOWING: Accuse me of being “trailer
trash” when in fact I AM NOT WHITE NOR DO I LIVE IN A
TRAILER. But that is like you Morons, hurling
unfounded allegations Thanks for proving my point you,
“Useful Idiot”.
—————
ORIGINAL POST THAT WAS EARASED BY SO-CALLED FREE
SPEECH ADVOCATES:
—————
Please excuse my language fellow Christians. May God
forgive me for what I am going to do. I have read a
many of your posts and I do admire your patience with
these decadent fools. I am not as timid, however, in
fact as I will explain in great detail below I am not
perfect nor do I pretend to be. I will condescend to
the Sodomites use of name calling, and will atone for
it later. First, the swearing. The people swearing and
putting up pornographic pictures, the ones who are
intolerant, are ***surprise*** the so-called
ultra-tolerant people of New Sodom, better known as
San-Fran-Siko. The People of san-fran-siko believe in
tolerance. When it’s their tolerance. The People of
san-fran-siko believe in free speech. When its their
speech. The people of san-fran-siko believe in
Stupidity, Hypocrisy, and Decadence. That said I will
tackle some points the “tolerant” individuals (the
same “tolerant individuals that screamed “fascist” and
“women haters”) have said/made.
1.) Quit trying to pull politics and other issues and
lump them with these “battle cry” people that from
what I read, seen, and heard, have VERY LITTLE TO DO
WITH POLITICS, THE IRAQ WAR, OR ABORTION. Yeah, they
would like these things changed and these issues
addressed. But you know what? Its NOT THE FRONT LINE
OF THEIR CAMPAIGN. Meaning that they are more
concerned with “the whole picture” and individual
development. THE ONLY PEOPLE MAKING THIS INTO A
POLITICAL ISSUE IS THE DECADENT MORONS IN S.F. Even
so, I will address some of your political “points”. -
For you people to call the Christian group “Fascist”
is just plain stupid. Do you Morons even know what a
Fascist Government is? Obviously not. I suggest you
look it up on Google. - While you uneducated
Marxist-Communist Pinko scumbags look that up, you may
as well type Nazi and Religion and see what comes up.
- Surprise. It seems the Fascist Governments put Race,
State, and Country over the individual in direct
conflicting with the religious beliefs of Christians.
HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM AN ARTICLE:
Catholics It was Christianity that suffered most from
the NAZIs, primarily because it posed the greatest
danger to the NAZIs. The mainstream church that
suffered the greatest was the Catholics. Catholicism
was a special target for the NAZIs, not only because
of the the Church’s moral influence, but because the
Church in the 19th century and during the Wiemar
Republic had played an important role for moderation
in German parliamentary politics. Also the German
Catholic Church was under the authority of the Pope
and thus more difficult to dominate than the various
national Protestant churches. The Church also ran
schools or played an importantly role in many schools
that they did not actually administer. The Catholic
Church not only stood in the way of the NAZIs brutal
use of terror, but it also opposed some of the
draconian racial and other eugenics programs such as
sterilization and euthanasia which the NAZIs planned
to adopt. Hitler soon after his seizure of power in
1933 negotiated a Concordat with the Vatican. Like the
other agreements he signed, he violated the provisions
of this agreement almost from the beginning and began
almost immediately to attack the rights of Catholics.
Catholics youth groups were exempted from the initial
actions by Von Schirach at the Hitler Youth when most
German youth groups were either abolished or
incorporated in the Hitler Youth. This was just
temporary and a series of actions by the Hitler Youth
and NAZI Government made it increasingly difficult for
those young people wanting to remain in Catholic youth
groups. Members of the Hitler Youth were prohibited
from belonging to Church youth groups and Catholic
youth groups were the most numerous and important.
Membership in the Church youth groups also complicated
education, especially university admissions as well as
career choices. HJ membership, for example, was
necessary for civil service appointments. [Gilbert, p.
15-16.] Despite signing the Concordat with the Vatican
in 1933, the NAZIs steadily undermined the power and
influence of the Church in Germany and arrested many
priests. Once World War II began, German policies
toward religions varied from country to country. The
Church in Poland was a symbol of Polish nationalism
and relentlessly persecuted. Priests were arrested and
thousand died in the concentration camps. The Church
in France because of the anticlerical nature of the
Revolution was less important as national symbol and
the NAZIs did not seek to totally destroy French
national and cultural institutions, so it was not
targeted by the NAZI occupiers. Germany Religion came
under attack by the NAZIs when they seized power in
1933. Christianity in Hitler’s view served no purpose
other than to undermine and limit what he wanted to
accomplish in Germany. Himmler explained, “How
different is yonder pale figure on the Cross, whose
passivity and emphasized mien of suffering express
only humility and self-abnegation, qualities which,
we, conscious of our heroic blood, utterly deny… The
corruption of our blood caused by the intrusion of
this alien philosophy must be ended.” [Blackburn, p.
155.] Religion was a difficult question for the NAZIs.
Germany was a Christian nation. Most Germans thought
of themselves as Christians, even many NAZI Party
members. Hitler and his inner circle, however, were
dismissive of Christianity. They wanted a new NAZI
religion with national and racial connotations. The
problem for the NAZIs was how to wean the German
people from Christianity. Hitler had a very good sense
about timing such matters, thus actions against
religious groups were only taken incrementally as the
NAZIs established their hold over Germany. In his
assault on religion, Hitler used both the education
system and the Hitler Youth. Educating the children in
schools was one approach. In this regards the German
education system varied from state to state, but
religious education was part of the curriculum in many
German states. During the Third Reich many of the
differences in the educational system in different
regions of Germany were ended. The campaign against
religion was also conducted in the Hitler Youth. Here
often away from their parents, the campaign may have
even been more effective than in the schools. There
were also many other actions taken against religion.
The NAZIs in 1936 no longer allowed Christians to
celebrate religious holidays on weekdays. [Koch, p.
172.]
- Well there it is. Looks like you Sodomites have
“egg” on your face. Now both literally and
figuratively.
2.) Now that I tackled “Fascism” let me talk about the
blatant stupidity and hypocrisy by the MORONS. First,
CHRISTIANS ARE NOT WOMEN HATERS. Second, CHRISTIANS
ARE NOT “HOMOPHOBES” and third, THE ONLY FASCIST ARE
THE “BROWN-SHORTS” IN SAN-FRAN-SIKO.
3.) STOP TRYING LINK BUSH AND THE WAR WITH THESE
BATTLECRY PEOPLE.
4.) STOP REFERRING TO BATTLECRY AND CHRISTIANS AS
“BIGOTS” AND “HOMOPHOBES”. THE ONLY BIGOTS ARE YOU
SODOMITES AND THE ONLY PHOBES ARE YOU. YOU, WHO HAVE
BIGOTRY TOWARDS CHRISTIANS, OR ANYONE WITH MORALS, YOU
WHO HAVE A PHOBIA FOR CHRISTIANS.
5.) THE COUNTRIES PROBLEMS ARE DUE TO LIBERALS, NOT
CHRISTIANS. GEORGE BUSH IS HARDLY WHAT I WOULD CALL A
“CONSERVATIVE”. GAYS AND WOMEN HAVE MORE RIGHTS TODAY
THAN ANYTIME IN HISTORY PAST. SO WHAT IS THIS STUPID
TALK ABOUT “THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE LEFT”? SINCE WHEN
DID YOU LOUD MOUTH MORONS LOOSE YOUR RIGHTS? NOTICE
THE TREND: BIBLE/GOD TAKEN OUT OF SCHOOLS, MORE
“GAY-RIGHTS”, “WOMEN RIGHTS” = MORE PEOPLE SWEARING,
HAVING SEX, DOING DOPE AT YOUNGER AGE, ETC. 6.) THE
ONLY ONES WHO ARE “DISGUSTING” ARE THE SODOMITES. IT
IS HYPOCRITICAL FOR ANYONE OF YOU PEOPLE TO LABEL
ANYONE ELSE AS “DISGUSTING”.
7.) FOR THOSE WHO CURSE GOD. FOR THOSE WHO SAY, “WERE
WAS YOUR FUCKING GOD ON 911″? TRULY YOU ARE THE MOST
IGNORANT AND DESPICABLE PEOPLE IN ALL OF HUMAN
HISTORY. GOD HAS A PLAN. HIS PLAIN DWARFS YOUR OR MY
UNDERSTANDING. THERE IS A REASON FOR EVERYTHING. LOOK
AT THE HOLOCAUST. A LOT OF BAD THINGS HAPPENED, BUT
LATER ON GOOD THINGS, LIKE THE FORMATION OF ISRAEL
WERE THE RESULT OF THIS. Look at what this idiot
wrote: “you want laws to control what other people do
based on your interpretation of ancient texts and you
talk about open minds your mind is locked into your
idea of one true salvation. you want other people to
stay “open” to your ideas while you have shut yours to
theirs that’s called hypocrisy” I HATE TO BREAK IT TO
YOU IDIOT, ALL LAWS ARE BASED ON ANCIENT TEXTS. WHAT
LAWS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO
CONTROL PEOPLE’S MINDS? Another Idiot Wrote this: “If
you’re not homosexual, then homosexuality is none of
your business. If you’re not a woman, why on earth
does it matter what you think about abortion? If you
don’t live here, who are you to come here and tell us
how to live? It’s not that you have an opinion. It’s
that you impose it where you have no business doing
so.” WELL IDIOT, WHY DON’T YOU TELL THAT TO YOUR GAY
AND FEM NAZI FRIENDS THAT CAMPAIGNED TO HAVE THE GAY
MARRIAGE AMENDMENT AND ABORTION DEFEATED FROM STATE TO
STATE. HOW MANY PEOPLE WENT TO THESE STATES EVEN
THOUGH THEY DID NOT ORIGINATE OR LIVE THERE? OH,
THAT’S RIGHT, ONLY FREE SPEECH WHEN IT’S YOUR SPEECH.
PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. And lastly a true Moron:
“who origonally started the national Abortion
movement” Abortions have been going on a lot longer
than nations have. Also, you spell it “originally.”
You do your cause no good coming off as an
illiterate– though you do gain the poignancy of
apparent-honesty that way..” NO, ABORTIONS ARE FARLEY
RECENT. UNLESS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN SACRIFICES
AND RIPPING A CHILD FROM A FETUS. YOU ELITIST MAKE ME
SICK. YOU THINK BECAUSE SOMEONE MADE A MISTAKE
SPELLING THEY ARE “ILLITERATE” AND DO “YOUR CAUSE NO
GOOD”. WHERE WAS YOUR CRITICISM WITH THE PRO-ABORTION,
PRO-GAY, ANTI-MILITARY, FEMINIST MEN-HATER’S POST? I
COUNTED A LOT MORE ERRORS IN SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. NOT
TO MENTION THE USE OF THE WORD “FUCK” AS AN ADJECTIVE
AND PORNO GRAPHIC IMAGES. OBVIOUSLY IF HE CAN TYPE AND
READ HE IS NOT ILLITERATE. YOU ARE A MORON AND AN
OXYGEN THIEF. YOU DO HUMANITY NO-GOOD. YOU MIGHT AS
WELL PUT A GUN IN YOUR MOUTH AND PULL THE TRIGGER. GO
BACK TO YOUR LIBERAL COLLEGE AND TAKE THE NUGGETS OF
WISDOM I HAVE SHARED WITH YOU SODOMITES. I BELIEVE IN
GOD. BUT NOT IN AN EXTREME SENSE, I AM MORE FOR MORALS
AND VALUES. DO NOT REPLY AND SAY “YOUR A HYPOCRITE
BECAUSE YADDA YADDA YADDA” LIKE I SAID BEFORE I HAVE
NOT QUOTED ANY SCRIPTURES AND DO NOT BELIEVE MYSELF
“AS CHRISTIAN” AS THOSE IN BATTLECRY. I SWEAR
OCCASIONALLY, I AM NOT PERFECT, AND YES THE CHURCH HAS
OPPRESSED PEOPLE BEFORE, BUT WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO DO
WITH NOW? YOU CHIDE PEOPLE IN THERE BELIEFS IN ANCIENT
TEXTS AND TELL THEM TO “MOVE ON” BUT IT IS YOU THAT IS
STUCK IN THE PAST WITH REFERENCES LIKE “CRUSADERS”,
“FASCIST”, AND OTHER MINDLESS DRIBBLE.
OPIATES FOR THE MASSES? STALIN WAS RIGHT WHEN HE
REFEREED TO YOU AS “USEFUL IDIOTS”.
“How different is yonder pale figure on the Cross,
whose passivity and emphasized mien of suffering
express only humility and self-abnegation, qualities
which, we, conscious of our heroic blood, utterly
deny… The corruption of our blood caused by the
intrusion of this alien philosophy must be ended.” -
H. HIMMLER, A FASCIST NAZI AND ATHEIST WHO BEGGED FOR
MERCY AND LATER KILLED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE HAD NO HOPE
AND NO FAITH.
__________________________________________
Yeah, like I said before I am not like the others, I
do not hum gregorian chants when I argue. I do not
know what Jesus would say, but he himself used
Hyperboyle, Anology and name-calling although very
moderate to what I do. Also, recount what he did to
the money changers by making a whip and driving them
out. I know I do wrong by lowering to there level. But
I get better results that way. To the other person who
called me garbage and said he “pisses on me” how about
you engage me in a real conversation instead of just
name calling. What? Can’t do it? Then shut your rotten
mouth. Would you piss on me in person? No, I doubt
your frail limp-wrist could handle a butch man like
myself (6′ 230lbs). Hahaha. I am not wrong about any
of the above points I made. I know my history. Correct
me with some articles or counter points, do not waste
my time with stupid name calling, you are only proving
my point
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The webmasters of this website have deleted my post
for the six time. And for the seventh I have uploaded
it. In any event, a couple of uneducated people made
some very stupid comments that I will address.
1.) “You have Communism and Fascism mixed up (in
refferance to religious tolerance)”.
A: No I do not. Both are extremes of Liberal
(communism) and Conservative (Fascism) government.
However, both extremes do not tolerate religion.
Hitler and his henchmen (see above article) certainly
did not. Hitler did use “God” in his speeches but
evidence suggest this was to munipulate the people
that had something in common, like the hatred for
Jews.
2.) “Christians were the most to suffer from Nazis?
What about the 6 Million Jews?”
A: This one really got me going. First off, I know a
lot about history, that is obvious, secound, more
christians were sent to concentration camps than any
religion. People who were enemies of the state,
Polish, French, and handicap who were mostly Christian
were sent to Dachau.
My Great Grandmother was sent to Dachau, guilty of
being Polish and Christian. The numbers are broken
down below. I assume you know how to add, so add all
the numbers besides Jews, Gypsies and account for an
average percentage of athiest. I know the number off
hand. However, since you are ignorant and arrogant I
will make you add the numbers yourself or you can look
them up:
Ukrainians 5.5 - 7 million
Jews (of all countries) 6 million +
Russian POWs 3.3 million +
Russian Civilians 2 million +
Poles 3 million +
Yugoslavians 1.5 million +
Gypsies 200,000 - 500,000
Mentally/Physically Disabled 70,000- 250,000
Homosexuals Tens of thousands
Spanish Republicans Tens of thousands
Jehovah’s Witnesses 2,500 - 5,000
3.) “What about the 30 million in Russia?”
A: Whoever wrote this is indead a tenth degree Moron.
The 30 Million died mostly from Stalin himself
through willfull starvation. The 30 Million does not
represent how many died from Nazis. Clearly whoever
wrote this to mean that Hitler killed 30 million
Soviets is an idiot and should remove himself from the
gene pool.
I know about the 30 million, as well as the difference
in Communism/Fascism. As well as Military history,
especially WWII.
I have been in the Military for six years, like ALL OF
MY GRAND DADS AND GREAT GRAND DADS who fought in war.
I suggest reading the book: Koba the Dread and the
laughter of the 30 million (I think thats the title,
it has been a long time since I read it). This book
gives more insight on Stalin/Communism.
June 4th, 2006 at Jun 04, 06 | 12:56 pm
John (Sabotta),
…the neo-Nazi filth that infects anti-state.com and strike the root like pus oozing from a festering sore,…
I am not a frequent reader of STR, but so far I haven’t found any Nazi scum there. The only thing that annoys me about them is that they link the Rockwell scum and, even worse, the uber-scum, master of all dirtbags - Sobran.
The reason I mention this is that I am in the process of writing a short essay that I plan on submitting to STR. Two years ago, I submitted an essay to LRC but then retracted it at the last moment when I realized who Rockwell & Company were. I’d like to avoid making the same mistake with STR, so your help is appreciated.
June 5th, 2006 at Jun 05, 06 | 1:38 pm
1. See here for J. Sabotta’s undoubtedly unfair, distorted, malicious, etc, etc comments on those fine, fine people at the blameless and liberty-loving Strike The Root site.
2. It amazes me (and the other two Nephites) that posting a picture of the adorable Courtney Love brings a inevitable storm of abuse down upon the poster’s head, while the repellent image of Joseph Sobran wearing his leather toupee - or whatever the fuck that thing is he’s epoxied to the top of his head - is silently tolerated.
June 5th, 2006 at Jun 05, 06 | 1:52 pm
Near the end of the film, the revived Muriel proclaims to Stephen: “But you can’t destroy flesh, any more than you can love or hate. It’s all the same thing.” Leaving aside their possible reference to pre-Socratic philosophy (although the connection is tempting), these lines sum up the doomed world of Nightmare Castle, a world dominated by unfathomably capricious physical laws, unbelievable extremes of passion, and the unshakable awareness that time has stopped along with the narrative–”It’s all the same thing.”
- Chris Fujiwara
June 5th, 2006 at Jun 05, 06 | 9:02 pm
J.A.C,
Communists want to establish a state, just not one like the US. So Communists aren’t “enemies of the state”, just enemies of certain states. And it’s hardly clear that the ACLU is Communist.
Of course, “ACLU: Enemy Of The Western Welfare State, Maybe” doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.
No, I just carried your reasoning to its logical conclusion. If the ACLU is Communist and if Communists are nearly indistinguishable from Fascists then the ACLU is purt-near a Fascist organization. And note that I was asking for confirmation of my reasoning, not misquoting you.
Pretty sure that the ACLU didn’t hold any women down and kill their babies, seems like the mothers had an awful lot to do with those abortions.
This can’t be real.
June 5th, 2006 at Jun 05, 06 | 10:42 pm
Nephit #3:
Thanks, that’s what I was looking for. I’m not sure about the sarcasm in your item no. 1, since I was not defending STR, merely asking a question.
As for Jospeh “I’m Sure Hitler Had His Reasons” Sobran, you are right on. Seeing his despicable face makes me want to smash my computer screen.
June 7th, 2006 at Jun 07, 06 | 1:27 am
Mr. Lopez,
Your stupidity never seizes to amuse me.
“Communists want to establish a state, just not one like the US. So Communists aren’t “enemies of the state”, just enemies of certain states. And it’s hardly clear that the ACLU is Communist.”
1. Oh, so I guess that means they are harmless, and we should ignore their attempts to overthrow our government. I mean, jeeze, all they want to do is get rid of democracy and capitalism, what’s wrong with that?
FYI Lopez, when someone designs a shirt in the US, and sells it in the US with the term, “enemy of the state” then it is obvious they are talking about the United States, not the States of Mexico or Canada. Who belie this fact by your smug comment:
“Western Welfare State”
No, it’s hardly clear that they are NOT communist (but see below).
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“No, I just carried your reasoning to its logical conclusion. If the ACLU is Communist and if Communists are nearly indistinguishable from Fascists then the ACLU is purt-near a Fascist organization. And note that I was asking for confirmation of my reasoning, not misquoting you.”
2. What is logical by putting words in my mouth WHEN I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT CALLING THE ACLU COMMUNIST WAS NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE NOR THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
Your reasoning has been confirmed: You suffer from far-leftitist and commie-pinko-eye. The perscription is for you to READ ANIMAL FARM BY G. ORWELL.
“Pretty sure that the ACLU didn’t hold any women down and kill their babies, seems like the mothers had an awful lot to do with those abortions”
3. Well although I would agree with you it is largley the Mother’s responsibility, let me show you the errors of your ways:
You liberals often want guns banned and strong censorships (not nudity or gay propaganda, which you people advocate, but, oddly censorship of religion and smoking/drinking ads etc.).
Why is that? Because you, as well as myself and everyone knows that:
1. People can be easlily manipulated by propaganda, advertisement, etc. Abiously if you put a gun shop or a casino or a bar, certain crime rates would rise and thus:
ITSO FACTO, if you put an abortion clinic around the corner, abortion in the area would rise, furthermore;
ROE v. WADE: Abortion was illegal, but lawyers made it legal, therfore they share responsibility ALONG WITH THE MOTHER.
FYI, the women in ROE v. WADE, much like many women who choose to kill their baby, expressed regret that she ever had an abortion and SAID SHE WASED USED BY THE SCUM-BAG LAWYERS AND HAS TRIED HERSELF TO GET THE DECISION OVER TURNED AND ALSO HAS BECOME VERY RELIGIOUS.
See: WIKIPEDIA, ABORTION
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
January 18th, 2008 at Jan 18, 08 | 5:00 pm
danm baby you have nice breast, and i dont care if you are communist by the way write me if you are interested
January 19th, 2008 at Jan 19, 08 | 8:44 pm
Cuban Guy, you should say “Damn baby, you have nice breasts” not “nice breast,”
American girls will be unhappy if they think you only like one of their breasts. I know this from experience.